>looks like you have "windsurfing" in your keywords 6 times which may be pushing it to begin with. Some of the SE's may see windsurf as the same word. Why not try duplicating the page with a different address and replacing evey word windsurfing with windsurf, them submitting it as a different page? (give it a totaly different name, not products1.htm, AV don't like that too much) Good tip. I just resubmitted six new pages and changed the word windsurfing to windsurf and we are already number 3 on Infoseek out of 8 gazillion pages.